- Basara549 wrote:
- Why do YOU, Seto,keep insisting the TRUTH is a falsehood, and misrepresenting the facts as stated?
To put it bluntly... I'm insisting that what you're saying is false because it's an unsubstantiated claim based on hearsay with no supporting evidence of any kind. All we have is your word for it, and as I'm about to illustrate, you're nothing like a reliable source of information.
- Basara549 wrote:
- I have told to you, what the people [...] told me FIRST-HAND that CONFIRMS Mike's statement.
Y'see... this pretty much sank your argument as hearsay right off the bat without me even needing to dig out the ironclad evidence to the contrary. Let's look at this remark of yours: You're telling us what you think someone told you at a convention panel you barely remember. When prompted for what con, you couldn't even remember what year it'd occurred in. Right here, you've proven your memory is not exactly reliable in terms of the details, and the claim you're making is very similar, though unrelated, to the established, well-documented fact that Streamline did force the use of their badly-translated script on the editors of the
Robotech Perfect Collection, a script which Tatsunoko had no involvement in.
- Basara549 wrote:
- The original scripts provided to HG were TRANSLATED BY TATSUNOKO. PERIOD.
The original HG Scripts for Robotech were grounded in them, by Tatsunoko's directive, but were given some leeway in that the scripts had to be rewritten into a story combining two unrelated series.
And now, as promised, I will prove the above assertion to be false using citations from official publications, which isn't exactly difficult.
Excerpt from Robotech Art 3, Page 6"The goal was to study the work and adapt the visual style and storytelling direction into an approximation of the original while also making the stories accessible to a mass audience. Tatsunoko understood the difficulty of the task and allowed Harmony Gold free reign in their adaptation."Here you have, from no less a man than Carl Macek himself, that Harmony Gold was not compelled to use a script supplied by Tatsunoko, nor were they only granted limited latitude in adapting that script. They were given a free reign to do as they wished by Tatsunoko. At no point in
Robotech Art 1,
Robotech Art 3, or the Carl Macek foreword in
The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles is any mention made of Tatsunoko forcing Harmony Gold to use a script they provided, and the claim that they were limited in their ability to make changes was explicitly disproved in
Robotech Art 3. Now that being said, we have to examine the verifiable facts we have here... we can't ANY evidence to validate ANY of your claims, and at least one of them (if not both) is explicitly ruled out by Carl Macek in an official publication. You'd think a handicap as major as being forced to use a shoddy script from an outside source and being limited in the changes they could make would be mentioned at least once in one of the many publications covering
Robotech's production history... but
nobody seems to know anything about it... not even Harmony Gold.
- Basara549 wrote:
- Streamline's scripts were also based on them, but Neil did his best to rewrite the translations in such a way as to not upset the applecart at Tatsunoko while making them moderately more accurate.
Only with Animeigo was Neil (and the others) able to retranslate the scripts from scratch.
Again, untrue... there is no factual basis for your statement. It is, however, accurate to say that Neil Nadelman and co. were forced to use a highly inaccurate script
supplied by Streamline, which they were forbidden to "inject their 'interpretations' upon" because it "reflected the true intentions of the original writer", in the production of the subtitled episodes for the
Robotech perfect collection. It is once again noteworthy that remarks about the alleged Tatsunoko script are conspicuous by their absence, appearing in none of the print sources regarding the project.
So what we're faced with here is a series of extremely questionable, unsubstantiated claims you've made based on (possibly misremembered) hearsay with no supporting factual basis of any kind. You have been able to produce no evidence to support your claim... nor has anyone else, for that matter. I'm sorry, but "take my word for it" just isn't going to cut it. No, there is no evidence that what you're claiming is true or even close to the truth, therefore it's false. The logic behind this should be simple enough.
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- madmikechoi wrote:
- They're WB- I think they've got the lawyers, guns and money to fend off anything other than an AMERICA, FUCK YEAH invasion.
I think it's simple greed at work, they'd much rather not have to pay royalties to Big West and Studio Nue as well. They want something they'll own free and clear.
- madmikechoi wrote:
- If Big West, Nue or some other folks come screaming out of the woodwork like a bunch of furfag hippies Warner Brothers will either bribe them or make the other side wish they took la mordida.
Take a course in copyright law sometime if you get a free moment... the law lends itself to certain brutal defenses that would let Big West and Studio Nue do quite a number on Warner if Warner chose to use
Macross designs without their consent. They've already proven they don't really give a tinker's damn about what little money they might make by licensing their stuff in the US, so I don't think Warner'll be able to buy them off, and if they used Big West's IP without their consent, the lawsuit would be pretty much the very image of an open-and-shut case.
- madmikechoi wrote:
- And HG's claims hasn't really stopped Macross toys from flowing into this country one form or the other. Or artbooks. In fact w/ Macross 2 and Macross Plus both licensed in North America, Tommy Yune can't do fucking shit. The only reason why Macross 7 hasn't come across the Pacific is the muzhak rights. Macross Frontier is fairly new and probably same standnards apply. IOW some how or the other throughout the years performers get a cut big enough for their performances that it affects getting aired in other countries.
Not even close to accurate, sorry...
Macross II and
Macross Plus were licensed to US companies in the 90s, a good 6-8 years before Harmony Gold ever obtained the US trademark that would've enabled them to stop
Macross licensing like they're doing now. The cost of music licensing is one reason
Macross 7 hasn't been brought over, but the trademark is the ultimate roadblock preventing licensing, since not going through Harmony Gold for approvals before distributing in the US would be a violation of their trademark protection on the name.
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